With mystra dead and dweomerheart destroyed what happened to all her faithful that were there? Did they get annihilated with the plane or were they absorbed into another gods realm such as selune or shar when they took back their parts of mystras power? Its been bugging me for a while. I think i would be a terrible fate if all the souls that had previously died in mystras service were just cast into oblivion. I dont know if this has been answered before i cant find much information on the subject.
With mystra dead and dweomerheart destroyed what happened to all her faithful that were there? Did they get annihilated with the plane or were they absorbed into another gods realm such as selune or shar when they took back their parts of mystras power? Its been bugging me for a while. I think i would be a terrible fate if all the souls that had previously died in mystras service were just cast into oblivion. I dont know if this has been answered before i cant find much information on the subject.
This. If Savras didn't survive the explosion, I sincerely doubt the souls did. Maybe a couple, at most.
Maybe Cyric and Shar made a snack out of them?
Selune has them, well the NG, CG, CN ones.
the LG ones, namely the paladins went likely to Torm, Bahamut, Ilmater, few others.
unaligned ones went to unalaigned dieites...
Corellon snatched them up and took them to Arvandor.
the elves sure.....those he considers worthy Like Khelben" the blackstaff" aRunson, sure.
that dwarven wizard over yonder, not likely
Curellon made them a snack then, awesome!
No, no, Corellon accepted them, all of them, into his loving embrace.
They *do* all look like Eladrin and Elves now, mind you, even the dwarves, but Corellon in his infinite love and mercy saved them from oblivion.
Hopefully there is more on the subject in future novels. Im interested to see where they go with the new sava game between Corellon and Lolth.
The idea that the souls survived the plane's annihilation is wishful thinking. How could they have survived an explosion which destroyed deities and wrecked the cosmos? They had nowhere else to go, and even trying to flee the plane during its destruction would've destroyed them.
Pay close attention, though: THIS is why Khelben was granted eternal rest in Arvandor, and not Dweomerheart. The plans were already in motion. 
The idea that the souls survived the plane's annihilation is wishful thinking. How could they have survived an explosion which destroyed deities and wrecked the cosmos? They had nowhere else to go, and even trying to flee the plane during its destruction would've destroyed them.
Because they are souls. It has been specified time and again (especially in 4E) that the Gods and Powers have a physical manifestation that can be destroyed. After all, it has already been said that before the Raven Queen (yes yes I know) could wield the power of Nerull, he had to give her form. I haven't seen this countermanded in FR material yet. As such souls are an energy focus, a nexus that can be tapped or absorbed but likely cannot be easily all out destroyed. Now, am I suggesting that all souls survived the cataclysm? Probably not. Am I suggesting that more survived than you think (and with a logical basis)? Yup.
That isn't counting the ones that might have been intentionally saved by other gods. There are still, though, a few flying or wandering through the planes looking for a new home. Might make a nice adventure. Hunting the soul of an ancient being for good or ill.
Selune has them, well the NG, CG, CN ones.
the LG ones, namely the paladins went likely to Torm, Bahamut, Ilmater, few others.
unaligned ones went to unalaigned dieites...
Yea, I agree. Souls are both precious and as I believe indestructible.
The idea that the souls survived the plane's annihilation is wishful thinking. How could they have survived an explosion which destroyed deities and wrecked the cosmos? They had nowhere else to go, and even trying to flee the plane during its destruction would've destroyed them.Because they are souls. It has been specified time and again (especially in 4E) that the Gods and Powers have a physical manifestation that can be destroyed. After all, it has already been said that before the Raven Queen (yes yes I know) could wield the power of Nerull, he had to give her form. I haven't seen this countermanded in FR material yet. As such souls are an energy focus, a nexus that can be tapped or absorbed but likely cannot be easily all out destroyed. Now, am I suggesting that all souls survived the cataclysm? Probably not. Am I suggesting that more survived than you think (and with a logical basis)? Yup.
And it's also been specified that souls can be completely obliterated, their existence permanently destroyed so that they exist nowhere. The final book of the War of the Spider Queen made that clear, as did the final book of the Lady Penitent. So yes, they can be all-out destroyed. It's relatively simple to obliterate a soul, as well, based on what we've seen. The destruction of Dweomerheart would easily bring about total destruction, so that only a handful of very lucky ones would survive. So, ultimately, almost all of them would have been destroyed, based on the most recent FR lore we've seen.
Yea, I agree. Souls are both precious and as I believe indestructible.
Aye to the former. Nay to the latter. See my response above.
Well I haven't read any of these books, but I don't see how the complete destruction of a soul is going to be eventually accomplished. It's like trying to change the amount of energy/matter that exists in the universe. Which by the way is an impossible task. You can reshape it, but you can not reduce or increase the quantity.
Well I haven't read any of these books, but I don't see how the complete destruction of a soul is going to be eventually accomplished.
It's not eventually accomplished in those cases; it's immediately accomplished.
It's like trying to change the amount of energy/matter that exists in the universe. Which by the way is an impossible task. You can reshape it, but you can not reduce or increase the quantity.
Except this is fantasy, as Erianthe said. The laws of the real world need not apply. This is especially true considering we've seen souls obliterated in novels, which just happen to be canon. It may be hard to believe, but it's there.
Fair enough. If others like to be told what happend I have no problems with that.
Fair enough. If others like to be told what happend I have no problems with that.
ditto
Fair enough. If others like to be told what happend I have no problems with that.
Thanks. This gave me a chuckle.
You might have missed the point. You said you believed souls in FR are indestructible, so I provided lore which clarifies that statement: they are not. You need not accept such lore in your own game, and no one is forcing you to obey the lore. However, the OP was asking for canon, and my focus has been on canon. The idea that souls are indestructible has been disproven in FR lore, hence why I've been posting what I've posted. I was merely expanding upon a statement in the interest of discussion. 
Fair enough. If others like to be told what happend I have no problems with that.
Thanks. This gave me a chuckle.You might have missed the point. You said you believed souls in FR are indestructible, so I provided lore which clarifies that statement: they are not. You need not accept such lore in your own game, and no one is forcing you to obey the lore. However, the OP was asking for canon, and my focus has been on canon. The idea that souls are indestructible has been disproven in FR lore, hence why I've been posting what I've posted. I was merely expanding upon a statement in the interest of discussion.
Well the point, MY POINT really was that in fact I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE. Everything else is of no concern to me.
Well the point, MY POINT really was that in fact I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE. Everything else is of no concern to me.
Then use that for your own game. But the OP wanted a canonical explanation, not an opinion which runs contrary to established canon. I'm not trying to keep your opinion down; it's just not relevant to what the OP asked. If you don't care for canon, fine. More power to ya. But the OP apparently does, and it's the OP I'm trying to satisfy.
Well the point, MY POINT really was that in fact I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE. Everything else is of no concern to me.Then use that for your own game. But the OP wanted a canonical explanation, not an opinion which runs contrary to canon. No one's trying to keep your opinion down; it's just not relevant to what the OP asked. If you don't care for canon, fine. But the OP apparently does, and it's the OP I'm trying to satisfy.
I wasn't questioning anybody's canon or anybody's opinion about it. I made a simple statement. I said quote unquote:"...as I believe....", end of the story. I just contributed by giving my own opinion about the subject at hand, I didn't evaluate "perceived truth" here.
Well the point, MY POINT really was that in fact I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE. Everything else is of no concern to me.Then use that for your own game. But the OP wanted a canonical explanation, not an opinion which runs contrary to canon. No one's trying to keep your opinion down; it's just not relevant to what the OP asked. If you don't care for canon, fine. But the OP apparently does, and it's the OP I'm trying to satisfy.
I wasn't questioning anybody's canon or anybody's opinion about it. I made a simple statement. I said quote unquote:"...as I believe....", end of the story.
Given the context of the discussion, which was canon, your "I believe" came across not as "In my opinion", but as "If I'm remembering correctly" or "To my knowledge"; as if you thought souls were indestructible, and that no lore existed which said otherwise. What you meant was not what was interpreted. This clears up everything; I can see now the disconnect.
That's great. Peace my friend.
Fair enough. If others like to be told what happend I have no problems with that.
We're just talking about canon, what has happened in the books. No one's saying that it has to be this way in your own game, your Realms.The idea of actually destroying a soul is pretty reprehensible from the modern real-world perspective. I think that's why it packs such a punch in fantasy. If the majority of souls in Dweomerheart were not destroyed, it makes the whole event pretty minimal.
Well I guess that points out how I feel about the event. It doesn't mean that much after all, especially not in the FR, at least not to me.
P.S.: This is all just my personal opinion! ;)
And it's also been specified that souls can be completely obliterated, their existence permanently destroyed so that they exist nowhere. The final book of the War of the Spider Queen made that clear, as did the final book of the Lady Penitent. So yes, they can be all-out destroyed. It's relatively simple to obliterate a soul, as well, based on what we've seen. The destruction of Dweomerheart would easily bring about total destruction, so that only a handful of very lucky ones would survive. So, ultimately, almost all of them would have been destroyed, based on the most recent FR lore we've seen.
I didn't say that they can be all out destroyed. I did say that given the information I have read that I believe more survived than "a handful of very lucky ones". As for specifying that the destruction of Dweomerheart "would easily bring about total destruction" I would very much like to see the lore source for a previous example of this very specific thing happening and the effect it had on the souls on that plane, because without that I am afraid you are basing your conclusion as much on conjecture as most of the rest of us are.
Just because a soul can be destroyed by an act of will or specific object it does not automatically mean that this behaviour can be generalised.
I didn't say that they can be all out destroyed. I did say that given the information I have read that I believe more survived than "a handful of very lucky ones". As for specifying that the destruction of Dweomerheart "would easily bring about total destruction" I would very much like to see the lore source for a previous example of this very specific thing happening and the effect it had on the souls on that plane, because without that I am afraid you are basing your conclusion as much on conjecture as most of the rest of us are.
The souls of Hammergrim went down with the ship after Laduguer and Deep Duerra bit the dust. That plane went out with a whimper, and not a bang, though. I can only imagine that the violent end Dweomerheart met with led to a much more chaotic end for the souls.
On a somewhat different note, the Abyss (at least Lolth's portion) has the ability to obliterate the souls of the dead it deems to be anathema. What that constitutes specifically, I'm not entirely sure, but the presence of the soul of Eilistraee's fallen priestess was enough to invite total annihilation upon her spirit.
The souls of Hammergrim went down with the ship after Laduguer and Deep Duerra bit the dust. That plane went out with a whimper, and not a bang, though. I can only imagine that the violent end Dweomerheart met with led to a much more chaotic end for the souls.
Really? That is interesting. Is there a reference to this event other than the Grand History that details the fate of those souls? I can't find anything in there about them.
The souls of Hammergrim went down with the ship after Laduguer and Deep Duerra bit the dust. That plane went out with a whimper, and not a bang, though. I can only imagine that the violent end Dweomerheart met with led to a much more chaotic end for the souls.Really? That is interesting. Is there a reference to this event other than the Grand History that details the fate of those souls? I can't find anything in there about them.
That passage suggests to me what fate befell the souls, unless you can think of a more likely possibility.
That passage suggests to me what fate befell the souls, unless you can think of a more likely possibility.
With a passage that says only:
"Moradin leads the assembled deities of Dwarfhome on a crusade against the dark powers of Hammergrim. Gorm Gulthyn and Haela Brightaxe perish in the battle, but Moradin destroys Laduguer, and Clangeddin slays Deep Duerra. The plane of Hammergrim disperses into the Astral to the sounds of the dwarf gods' victorious battle hymns."
With that information pretty much any conclusion in the world is a possibility. A paragraph that doesn't carry a single mention of the souls on the plane in question? Yes, I can indeed think of other possibilities. Trying to draw a solid conclusion off that back of this paragraph as to the fate of the souls on Dweomerheart is, I consider, comparable to suggesting that because your front-door key works on your front-door that you should be able to open a safe in the Bank of England with it.
You can draw this conclusion should you wish to. I wouldn't dare, on the basis of this evidence.
That passage suggests to me what fate befell the souls, unless you can think of a more likely possibility.With a passage that says only:
"Moradin leads the assembled deities of Dwarfhome on a crusade against the dark powers of Hammergrim. Gorm Gulthyn and Haela Brightaxe perish in the battle, but Moradin destroys Laduguer, and Clangeddin slays Deep Duerra. The plane of Hammergrim disperses into the Astral to the sounds of the dwarf gods' victorious battle hymns."
With that information pretty much any conclusion in the world is a possibility. A paragraph that doesn't carry a single mention of the souls on the plane in question? Yes, I can indeed think of other possibilities. Trying to draw a solid conclusion off that back of this paragraph as to the fate of the souls on Dweomerheart is, I consider, comparable to suggesting that because your front-door key works on your front-door that you should be able to open a safe in the Bank of England with it.
You can draw this conclusion should you wish to. I wouldn't dare, on the basis of this evidence.
Not really. It says the plane of Hammergrim disperses into the Astral. The souls residing on the plane are a part of the plane.
Although, we could save ourselves the trouble, and just ask Rich: What happened to the souls on Dweomerheart. That'd probably satisfy everyone's curiosity.
Not really. It says the plane of Hammergrim disperses into the Astral. The souls residing on the plane are a part of the plane.
Now here is the problem. I consider a plane to be a multi-dimensional construct that encompases a realm of space and time under the direct control of the power that created/maintains it. As such the plane is like a building, if the building collapses then sure, some people may be hurt or killed but there is a world outside the building. In this case it is the Astral itself. For me that analogy suggests that the dispersion of Hammergrim (and to a greater extent the "disintegration" of Dweomerheart) may have caused casualties, even significant ones, but I would not expect the semi-totality of loss that your earlier language suggested.
Although, we could save ourselves the trouble, and just ask Rich: What happened to the souls on Dweomerheart. That'd probably satisfy everyone's curiosity.
Now where would the fun in that be? ;)
Not really. It says the plane of Hammergrim disperses into the Astral. The souls residing on the plane are a part of the plane.Now here is the problem. I consider a plane to be a multi-dimensional construct that encompases a realm of space and time under the direct control of the power that created/maintains it. As such the plane is like a building, if the building collapses then sure, some people may be hurt or killed but there is a world outside the building. In this case it is the Astral itself. For me that analogy suggests that the dispersion of Hammergrim (and to a greater extent the "disintegration" of Dweomerheart) may have caused casualties, even significant ones, but I would not expect the semi-totality of loss that your earlier language suggested.
Fair enough; I consider the souls to be a part of the plane, but I have no qualms with people saying otherwise. Looking back, I can see that I shouldn't have gone with an exaggeration in my opening post.
I'm willing to concede the point that a fair number might have survived. However, I still believe the majority would have perished, likely a sizable majority at that.
Although, we could save ourselves the trouble, and just ask Rich: What happened to the souls on Dweomerheart. That'd probably satisfy everyone's curiosity.Now where would the fun in that be? ;)
Fun is nice, but I want peace of mind. And to be honest, if the OP still wants a canonical answer, Rich is the guy to ask. Or BRJ, who was in a thread earlier today.
you could ask, but you might get a nda answer
Interesting discussion going on here. I'm not sure if it could really be answered. I have a feeling an "official" answer would be something like "However you want to do it in your campaign". Personaly I agree that the souls are one with the Plane and the God, so if the god and plane are destyoed, so then are all them souls, however I think Kelemevor has some jurisdiction there and he does have the Fate domain, so maybe he knew something was up and lead souls he deemed worthy to safety? I personaly dont want to see all of Mystras faithful souls get obliterated, now all them Dark Dwarf souls can burn for all I care!
you could ask, but you might get a nda answer
That wouldn't surprise me at all. I am so sick of NDAs. Even ED's answer to my roll of years question was NDAd. Like I'm going to go oh I know all the year names for the next 100 years so I dont need to buy anymore Realms products. They really need to do something with all those outstanding NDAs that will moslt likely never see the light of day, Like make a massive Realmslore article or something. Theyre sitting on a gold mine of Realmslore and should really do something with it.
that would be the legal department dealings.
and everyone just thinks that Elminster, the seven, and khelben had the most power in the realms.
Wotc's lawyer characters had more power and are rumored to be the Chosen of the Great Retcon as well as the Great NDA
that would be the legal department dealings.
and everyone just thinks that Elminster, the seven, and khelben had the most power in the realms.
Wotc's lawyer characters had more power and are rumored to be the Chosen of the Great Retcon as well as the Great NDA
Damn that Lord Retcon! Speaking of the Seven Sisters, any idea how many are actuallly left in the 4e timeline?
well the Symbul is confirmed.
I once asked if Storm or Dove was still around at candlekeep.
Was answered that atleast one of them was still around in 4e.
Qiule :dead was sliced up by the crescent blade
Alustrieal Silverhand: dead presumablyby old age
Storm: unknown
Dove Falconhand:unknown
LAeral Arunson: unknown presumably dead
Symbul:alive in the dalelands
Sylune: Dead
BTW a Spoiler for you, We may find out another one in Elminster Must Die, due out next year
They Killed off Qiule? That sucks, she was always my favorite, what book was that in? I really need to catch up on my Realms reading.
And how could any of them die of old age? I thought they were all Immortal?
Mystra being dead throws a monkey wrench in to that...
They aint dead in my Realms...
Mystra being dead throws a monkey wrench in to that...
They aint dead in my Realms...
Yeah I Guess Mystra being dead might mess that up, but what about the Simbul? Shes still around, unless shes now chosen of Selune or something? Maybe weilding all that magic slows the aging process? After all Elminsters still sround too.
Sounds like I should just move over to your Realms.
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Thanks for the post Melos. So that answers that question. Kelemvor saves the day!
Well, here my own opinion again and as I see it, it does not really contradict canon if I say:" You can destroy shape, but you can not nullify substance." What does "destroy" realy mean. In the common sense it always refers to a "structure" being disolved. Did you ever hear the quote:"God is dead?" It's one of the more prominent things Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is supposed to have said. But the idea is, it doesn't necessarily mean god isn't almighty anymore. It doesn't mean he is gone just because he is dead. Well this isn't about religion, what I'm trying to say is that destruction in the natural world isn't an ultimative thing. It's actually somthing else, it's very rapid change of a structure, nothing more and nothing less.
To me the death of Mystra has a very clear up side. Selune gets more spotlight. In the past she always stud in Mystra's shadow. But now she plays the role she is supposed to have. After I realized Lathander was gone, and he actually really is gone in a sense, I had to look for another favorite deity, and even though I always liked Ilmater I now ended up in Selune's camp. Lately I startet to read "the Law of Attraction" and I came to the conclusion that Ilmater's focus on suffering and pain is way too far on the negative side of perceiving the world and therefore I chose Selune as being the deity who gets the most of my "support" in the FR.
I knda liked Nietzsche, sure he might of been a little insane, but he wrote some interesting stuff. Freud on the other hand was a perverted loon. Prescribing cocaine to get people off of heroin, brilliant! but yeah lets not turn this into a philosophical debate, or at least keep it to philosophers of the Realms. Or wait the orginal question has been answered, so yeah this is now a Realms spamfest. Thats the way it usually works.
Well, it appears I stand corrected (at least partially). Those souls have more tenacity than I had expected. Fair enough. That's all I needed to know.
Now here's hoping Rich doesn't give me a different answer in the AtD thread. That would be inconvient.
Well, it appears I stand corrected (at least partially). Those souls have more tenacity than I had expected. Fair enough. That's all I needed to know.
Now here's hoping Rich doesn't give me a different answer in the AtD thread. That would be inconvient.
If it gets answered at all. Ive noticed he hasnt answered any questions in like a month. I guess hes too busy on Dark Sun? hopefully thatll wrap up soon, and he can devote more of his time to the Realms.
Dark Sun has been sent to the editors...Avenger is coming...
So theyre done on Dark Sun! cool!. I can hardly wait myself. And when is Avenger due out? Im guessing hes already got that one done as well, maybe hes got some new top secret project hes working on?
Just because a soul can be destroyed by an act of will or specific object it does not automatically mean that this behaviour can be generalised.
Hit by a force strong enough to obliterate a deity a mortal soul should just go *Poof*. It's pretty easy to destroy a soul, most fiends are able to do it (and do it just to drive of boredom). Even mere mortal's don't have much trouble to destroy a soul. In D&D a soul is nothing especially resilent
Nietzsche, ugh. Considering that he was insane, and influenced Freud to go in the wrong direction for psychological theory, I have difficulty taking seriously anything Nietzsche wrote. It was all colorful fantasy IMO, and had a bad impact on philosophy. Too much focus on theoretical constructs and you start believing that they actually exist.
Not that this has all that much to do with the price of tea in Calimport. Selune was definitely under-used in the Realms, and I think you're right about her being overshadowed by Mystra.
Oh well, I saw that coming. The statement I made wasn't borrowed from Nietzsche, it was my own interpretation of the quote. I do not even know what he actually meant when he said that, I just like the phrase. Somehow it remembers me of Pulp Fiction. "Zed is dead baby, Zed is dead." ^^
Just because a soul can be destroyed by an act of will or specific object it does not automatically mean that this behaviour can be generalised.
Hit by a force strong enough to obliterate a deity a mortal soul should just go *Poof*. It's pretty easy to destroy a soul, most fiends are able to do it (and do it just to drive of boredom). Even mere mortal's don't have much trouble to destroy a soul. In D&D a soul is nothing especially resilent
That was my line of thinking as well, but apparently the explosion of a plane of existence isn't as big a deal as you'd think, based on Rich's answer. Oh well, I suppose I should be happy I was wrong. Those magic-deity faithful are still around somewhere.
Actually, that'd be something for a plotline. Uniting the former residents of Dweomerheart in an attack on the Towers of Night (or whatever the hell Shar's opium den is called).
They Killed off Qiule? That sucks, she was always my favorite, what book was that in? I really need to catch up on my Realms reading.
And how could any of them die of old age? I thought they were all Immortal?
my favorites of then:Storm, Dove, Lustra, and Qiule
as for Q's death, it was in the LP series.
and in my realms, that sereis never happened.
Eilistraee, and vhaerun are still alive, and the revanacer was banished at the cost of V and E's divinity and they are now ArchFey plotting their revenge
Heroin was invented to help get people off of morphine as I recall, the name alluding to that purpose... despite that small little detail that its an opiate itself. Meh, lots of medical stuff ends up being abused until its more associated with street drug use instead of what it was actually intended for, thanks to fools like Mr. Limbaugh and such ( with oxycodone). Remember kids, never trust a junkie.
As to what happens to Mystra's followers, its much easier as a question when you just ignore her death (and the rest of 4e FR for that matter). 
I think we'll all be better off if we avoid the Nietzche discussions, or however that's spelled...
Though we could bring that back around towards the Realms if we recall that one of his quotes opened the greatest FR game of all time... that being Baldur's Gate.
Pools of Radiance was the best FR game of all time!!!!
So what was the quote?
Pools of Radiance was the best FR game of all time!!!!**Kanye bursts in** Pools of Radiance was a good game and all, and I'mma let you finish... but Baldur's Gate was the Best FR game of all time! ALL TIME! (LOL)
LOL! Indeed! I almost shot pepsi out of my nose!, Almost! Lord Manshoon still has that distinct honor.
tsk tsk
In my realms they are all dead, just out of spite
tsk tsk
What are you tsk tsking? Me almost shooting pepsi out of my nose or Erianthe's Kanye refference?
In my realms they are all dead, just out of spite
All of them souls destroyed out of spite? thats just wrong man! Are you another Sharran?
the fact you didnt shoot pepsi out of your knose
the fact you didnt shoot pepsi out of your knose
Ahhh, that I didnt. So you want me to shoot pepsi out of my nose? Thats messed up man. that stuff burns comin out your nose.
tell me about it, nearly done it with mountain dew....
anyway Selune gets mystra's ....
Oh well, I saw that coming. The statement I made wasn't borrowed from Nietzsche, it was my own interpretation of the quote. I do not even know what he actually meant when he said that, I just like the phrase. Somehow it remembers me of Pulp Fiction. "Zed is dead baby, Zed is dead." ^^
Uhm... ??? This makes no sense.
Well it just means what I said, but I grant you that I didn't say pretty much here. ^^
Moving right along... Viva Mystra.
Moving right along... Viva Mystra.
Mystra 1.0 (and Mystryl)? Yes. Midnight-Mystra? Meh, bordering on no. She wasn't as impressive as to me as her first two incarnations.
Give me the first Mystra, not Mystrl or Midnight but Mystra. The one that was slaughtered (stupidly) by Helm and was Old El's true love. Yep, that's the girl for me.
I just wonder where the souls of those chosen of Mystra have gone who do not live anymore. I know Simbul and Elminster still live, but most of the others - correct me if I'm mistaken - are probably dead by now. I would assume they dwell on Selune's plane. Which means most of my characters will have to share their afterlifes with Khelben. 
I just wonder where the souls of those chosen of Mystra have gone who do not live anymore. I know Simbul and Elminster still live, but most of the others - correct me if I'm mistaken - are probably dead by now. I would assume they dwell on Selune's plane. Which means most of my characters will have to share their afterlifes with Khelben.
I imagine they'd dwell on either the Fugue Plane or the Gates of the Moon. Any others seem a stretch. Khelben is a special case, because his resting place was chosen as a reward for fulfilling his duties (and that elven blood in his veins). Should Qilue's soul ever be found (which I don't think is going to happen, as pessimistic as that may sound), I think she'd also get the pass to Arvandor. The others, though, don't have the claim to the elven paradise, and will probably end up in one of the first two. And you're correct, almost all of them are dead.
On the other hand spending eternity side by side with Laeral, Alustriel, Storm, etc doesn't sound so bad after all. :D
On the other hand spending eternity side by side with Laeral, Alustriel, Storm, etc doesn't sound so bad after all. :D
It certainly doesn't... however, I am still holding out that some of them aren't dead.
ED said on his scroll over at candlekeep , when I asked about Storm and Dove, if they were still breathing in 4e realms, his reply was that atleast one of them was still alive.
never did ask about Laeral.
Well the evidence of Laer's passing is circumstancial at best, isn't it? Isn't it based on a date for her Memoirs... something that people often write while they are still alive.
and she could of easily faked her own death, just to hide from her enemies too...
or she ascended into exarch of someone
ED said on his scroll over at candlekeep , when I asked about Storm and Dove, if they were still breathing in 4e realms, his reply was that atleast one of them was still alive.
never did ask about Laeral.
If I could choose I would vote for Dove Falconhand, I really liked her. She is actually a pretty untypical Greenwood character. Storm Silverhand on the other side is the epitome of this special kind of character type who seems to be able to do and really does anything. We call that a diving, eggy laying, cotton-milk pig who is able to fly. I like Laeral too. Even though I'm glad Faerun is relieved of these all too many chosen, I hope some of them are still around as "real personalities". Chosen status is in many cases way too much of a burden for a character to shine as a personality, since it has sort of an overriding effect as far as I can tell. If you are too powerful you do not often have to deal with problems, atleast not with real ones.
improper use of any of faerun's chosen, whether past or present, is foul of the DM.....
but not when its the players saying why doesnt ELmisnter and his armies deal with this thread???
hahashahahahahahaha
improper use of any of faerun's chosen, whether past or present, is foul of the DM.....
but not when its the players saying why doesnt ELmisnter and his armies deal with this thread???
hahashahahahahahaha
Well theres that whole balance of power thing. If Elminsters doin this that and the other, then Szass Tam is going to be workin that much harder to make up for it. So as I see it the Chosen just kinda sit back unless its something end of the world like. Sure they might give hints or a point in the general direction, but theyre almost up there at god level so theres like a non interference clause they have to sign.
improper use of any of faerun's chosen, whether past or present, is foul of the DM.....
but not when its the players saying why doesnt ELmisnter and his armies deal with this thread???
hahashahahahahahaha
Well theres that whole balance of power thing. If Elminsters doin this that and the other, then Szass Tam is going to be workin that much harder to make up for it. So as I see it the Chosen just kinda sit back unless its something end of the world like. Sure they might give hints or a point in the general direction, but theyre almost up there at god level so theres like a non interference clause they have to sign.
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^
the chosen of mystra were mostly retired or semi-retired adventures.
their actions at such point were directed by mystra/midnight.
so yeah, if it threatened the weave or threaten themselves they were involved.
Realmshaking events they were likely involved in.
kingdom issues, not really likely...... and no the Elminsters daughter deal did not count as EL was only in cormyr for another issue at Mystra/midnight mandate.
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^
Well sure they may have interfered, just a little. Midnight/Mystra was real big on interfering. Thats one of the reasons I didnt care for her, she was always messin around on the Mortal Plane, what was the point of her even having Chosen if she was just gonna take care of it herself?
the issue that EL was in Cormyr for during Elminster's Daughter was therefor ordered by Mystra, would count for The Silversword's above comment.
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^Well sure they may have interfered, just a little. Midnight/Mystra was real big on interfering. Thats one of the reasons I didnt care for her, she was always messin around on the Mortal Plane, what was the point of her even having Chosen if she was just gonna take care of it herself?
A little?! Man they participated to certain degree in every major struggle on Faerun. Do you remember the story with Everska, the city of Shade, the damaged Mythalar?! That's just one example another would be the events that take place in "Blackstaff". The Chosen have been everywhere! From Aglarond/Thay to Silverymoon, from Waterdeep to the Dalelands. "A little", really is an understatement my friend.
A little?! Man they participated to certain degree in every major struggle on Faerun. Do you remember the story with Everska, the city of Shade, the damaged Mythalar?! That's just one example another would be the events that take place in "Blackstaff". The Chosen have been everywhere! From Aglarond/Thay to Silverymoon, from Waterdeep to the Dalelands. "A little", really is an understatement my friend.
Maybe a tad of an understatement. Im just saying they didnt start stuff. I mean they all could of said Szass Tam is evil lets go kick his butt, but that wasnt the way they ussually operated, they ussually waited till the bad guy made the first move and then worked to put a stop to those plans, not actually destroying Szass Tam himself or who ever.
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^
Of course they did. However if you ask for their opinion on the matter (as was done of Elminster in Cloak of Shadows that I have just finished reading) then you might get the answer that they do continuously meddle, but they do so to keep the Realms from being an utter loss. They cannot turn the tide but they can keep the world from slipping into utter darkness. I like this description and it works far better for me than the Overshadowing argument.
That said, I am not going to respond more in public for fear of this becoming the usual flamewar. I will, however, debate this in private with anyone who wishes it.
btw from my latest qusestion to Ed Greenwood, concerning Laeral ARunson
I'm afraid Laeral's fate is firmly NDA'd at this time. Sorry.
I can promise you'll learn SOME fates of SOME Chosen in a year or so.
Ed
Is there ANYTHING in the Realms that's NOT covered by NDA????
Is there ANYTHING in the Realms that's NOT covered by NDA????
Sorry but that is NDA too
Is there ANYTHING in the Realms that's NOT covered by NDA????
Not much apparently. So far most of my questions have been free of NDAs. My question on the Roll of Years was NDA but the question was still answered. You ought to sign up over on Loremaster.org and ask Ed some questions yourself, If you havnt already.
Is there ANYTHING in the Realms that's NOT covered by NDA????
Not much apparently. So far most of my questions have been free of NDAs. My question on the Roll of Years was NDA but the question was still answered. You ought to sign up over on Loremaster.org and ask Ed some questions yourself, If you havnt already.
QFT
besides, you never know unless you ask.
here, loremaster or at candlekeep.
although heavy lore questions go to candlekeep.
with much of the old guard not here, looks at Ody, and KtM, and LK etc.
not many around who have access to the old pre 3.x and 3,x lore
The NDA, I had expected. The year from now wait to find out its contents... now that was new to me. Unwelcome too. Laer is one of my favourite of the Seven and that is already a fairly lofty position in my esteem (well, apart from Alassra and Qilue who have never been my favourites).
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^Of course they did. However if you ask for their opinion on the matter (as was done of Elminster in Cloak of Shadows that I have just finished reading) then you might get the answer that they do continuously meddle, but they do so to keep the Realms from being an utter loss. They cannot turn the tide but they can keep the world from slipping into utter darkness. I like this description and it works far better for me than the Overshadowing argument.
That said, I am not going to respond more in public for fear of this becoming the usual flamewar. I will, however, debate this in private with anyone who wishes it.
Man, those Chosen really had a pretty bleak opinion about their world.^^
Well I do not go further into this discussion. I still can remember the last time and that makes my left eyelid twitch. -_<
Man, those Chosen really had a pretty bleak opinion about their world.^^
Well I do not go further into this discussion. I still can remember the last time and that makes my left eyelid twitch. -_<
Yes! I Win!
Im kidding.
I think we got a good group in the Realms forums, we may disagree from time to time but I havnt seen any actual hostilities since Ive been posting here. Now some of the other forums its all out war, I honestly believe some people get on there just to start a fight, Its crazy.
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^Of course they did. However if you ask for their opinion on the matter (as was done of Elminster in Cloak of Shadows that I have just finished reading) then you might get the answer that they do continuously meddle, but they do so to keep the Realms from being an utter loss. They cannot turn the tide but they can keep the world from slipping into utter darkness. I like this description and it works far better for me than the Overshadowing argument.
That said, I am not going to respond more in public for fear of this becoming the usual flamewar. I will, however, debate this in private with anyone who wishes it.
Man, those Chosen really had a pretty bleak opinion about their world.^^
Well I do not go further into this discussion. I still can remember the last time and that makes my left eyelid twitch. -_<
They like to micromanage in that "nothing will get done if I don't do it myself".
Man, those Chosen really had a pretty bleak opinion about their world.^^
Well I do not go further into this discussion. I still can remember the last time and that makes my left eyelid twitch. -_<
Yes! I Win!
Im kidding.
I think we got a good group in the Realms forums, we may disagree from time to time but I havnt seen any actual hostilities since Ive been posting here. Now some of the other forums its all out war, I honestly believe some people get on there just to start a fight, Its crazy.
To tell you the truth I signed up on these boards 2003 as I recall it and back then I was a living breathing disturbance in the force. It was way too easy to start a fight with me, if Stigger or another of the "old guard" remembers they might tell you the story. Anyway I decided to take things a little easier and to not allow my temper to go overboard with me anymore.
To tell you the truth I signed up on these boards 2003 as I recall it and back then I was a living breathing disturbance in the force. It was way too easy to start a fight with me, if Stigger or another of the "old guard" remembers they might tell you the story. Anyway I decided to take things a little easier and to not allow my temper to go overboard with me anymore.
Right I hear ya. I ran into alot of arguments in other forums and it used to really get me P***** off but then I started to realize that its their opinion and why should that really bother me? screw it. but any way Im not arguing with you, I dont disagree with you, I just think really the Chosen could of interfered alot more than they did.
To tell you the truth I signed up on these boards 2003 as I recall it and back then I was a living breathing disturbance in the force. It was way too easy to start a fight with me, if Stigger or another of the "old guard" remembers they might tell you the story. Anyway I decided to take things a little easier and to not allow my temper to go overboard with me anymore.
Right I hear ya. I ran into alot of arguments in other forums and it used to really get me P***** off but then I started to realize that its their opinion and why should that really bother me? screw it. but any way Im not arguing with you, I dont disagree with you, I just think really the Chosen could of interfered alot more than they did.
Well sure they could have. What a disturbing notion.
Well sure they could have. What a disturbing notion.
LOL Im starting to get the distinct impression that you dont much care for the Chosen of Mystra
Well sure they could have. What a disturbing notion.LOL Im starting to get the distinct impression that you dont much care for the Chosen of Mystra
I know I didn't care for the sheer NUMBER of them.
I know I didn't care for the sheer NUMBER of them.
Well that number has dropped considerably
and besides there was only what like 10 of em?
The chosen of Mystra did not interfere?! Are you kidding me? ^^Of course they did. However if you ask for their opinion on the matter (as was done of Elminster in Cloak of Shadows that I have just finished reading) then you might get the answer that they do continuously meddle, but they do so to keep the Realms from being an utter loss. They cannot turn the tide but they can keep the world from slipping into utter darkness. I like this description and it works far better for me than the Overshadowing argument.
That said, I am not going to respond more in public for fear of this becoming the usual flamewar. I will, however, debate this in private with anyone who wishes it.
Man, those Chosen really had a pretty bleak opinion about their world.^^
Well I do not go further into this discussion. I still can remember the last time and that makes my left eyelid twitch. -_<
They like to micromanage in that "nothing will get done if I don't do it myself".
You know its more than that, their presents just overshadows any attempt of a PC to become the stoy's hero. There have been so many powerful NPC on the wrong side of the fance that I always had the feeling that even in the end-game those Realms personalities outshone my characters all the time. In the pre 4e FR it was more heroic to be a villain, but as I said I went through this discussion way too often and I can't stand it anymore, I'm sorry.
Well sure they could have. What a disturbing notion.LOL Im starting to get the distinct impression that you dont much care for the Chosen of Mystra
Well as I said. I like Laeral, well I imagine her to really be a girl I would be "digging"
and I do like almost all of the former Chosen of Mystra as personalities, but I hate the Chosen of Mystra and I hate Mystra. ^^ Forgive me guys.^^
Well sure they could have. What a disturbing notion.LOL Im starting to get the distinct impression that you dont much care for the Chosen of Mystra
I know I didn't care for the sheer NUMBER of them.
Yea, my feeling. That's signed.
everyone likes or dislikes someone in the realms.
My favorite chosen:
Khelben"The Blackstaff" ARunson
LAeral Silverhand Arunson
Storm Arunson
Quile
DoveFalconhand
Elminster
Alustirel
therest were meh....
anyway....appearances by the chosen of any deity by DMs were usually done badly
Right, reading about the Chosen is one thing, but actually having them in game is just a bad idea, your character may as well just go home. Ive only rarely used them in any of my games, I had Storm show up and kick their a$$es once cause they P***ed me off, and I had Elminster as a recuring chacter but he only gave advice or just wanted to hang and get his drink on, I never had any of them save the day or anything like that.
I think the only one our party met was Elminster and he gave some sort of advice.
Not that I'd remember.... being up since OMG AM and then gaming late or somesuch so I was out of it. lol
I think the only one our party met was Elminster and he gave some sort of advice.
Not that I'd remember.... being up since OMG AM and then gaming late or somesuch so I was out of it. lol
I was kinda out of it too, but I better not go into that. I might get smited or something.
*looks around for Avenger of Hoar*
the only time I ran across any of them was playing BG 1 and 2 waaay back and all he did was show up,talk a bit and left.Elminster
I think the only one our party met was Elminster and he gave some sort of advice.
Not that I'd remember.... being up since OMG AM and then gaming late or somesuch so I was out of it. lol
Oh man I couldn't stand Elminster advising one of my characters, I would have to bite my head off. It's worse than meeting Drizzt, since if he jars on my nerves my party could lend me a hand to give the Drizzt issue a "final solution". That's harder with El. ^^
nothing against Drizzt myself.... not sure I'd save the day with him.
ALthough having him train my moon elven ranger doesnt seem like a bad idea...
Is there ANYTHING in the Realms that's NOT covered by NDA????
More important: How many of these NDA covered things will actually see the light of the day and are not just kept as annother ace up the sleeve but will never be played since they happen to have more of this aces than they'll ever be able to draw. I fear that the vast majority of the NDAs are "just in case" things that will never be published and thus will be forever lost to the community.
everyone likes or dislikes someone in the realms.
My favorite chosen:
Khelben"The Blackstaff" ARunson
LAeral Silverhand Arunson
Storm Arunson
Quile
DoveFalconhand
Elminster
Alustirel
therest were meh....
anyway....appearances by the chosen of any deity by DMs were usually done badly
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again. 
More important: How many of these NDA covered things will actually see the light of the day and are not just kept as annother ace up the sleeve but will never be played since they happen to have more of this aces than they'll ever be able to draw. I fear that the vast majority of the NDAs are "just in case" things that will never be published and thus will be forever lost to the community.
Right! Exactly! They should realize that they could make some money if they put out some stuff using all those NDAs, especially the older ones. They should make a Grand History of the Realms 2 or something and use alot of that info in there that are NDAed. I would totally buy that. I think there is a definate demand for some more Realmslore, I dont understand why WotC are holding out on us. It Especially agravates me on Info from previous editions thats NDA, what is the point of that? Let that info see the light of day already!
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again.
LOL, well as long as it makes you happy. But none of them are chosen of Mystra anymore. 
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again.
LOL, well as long as it makes you happy. But none of them are chosen of Mystra anymore.
See! I told you there's a bright side of Mystra's death.
See! I told you there's a bright side of Mystra's death.
Im sure there are some who would argue that. I am not one of them, I didnt like Midnight/Mystra at all. The Godess of Magic should be Neutral, but she seemed just too goody. Dont miss her at all. I do miss Azuth however.
Why Azuth?
Well it pleases me that Velsharoon most likely got zapped too. I always deemed him to be some kind of would-be Vecna. And as we all know:" There can be only one."
Why Azuth?
Well it pleases me that Velsharoon most likely got zapped too. I always deemed him to be some kind of would-be Vecna. And as we all know:" There can be only one."
I liked Azuth, he was neutral and didnt really take sides, which is how a deity of magic should be, and really they had no reason to off him, they could of got rid of the weave and done the 4e system of magic without getting rid of Azuth. I just think that leaves a hole in the pantheon and it bugs me, there should be a god of magic. I guess people could argue that Corellon or Selune are now the holders of that portfolio but its just not the same, they have too much else going on, We need a deity focused soely on Magic IMO.
And yes Velsharoon is most definatly gone.
I liked Azuth, he was neutral and didnt really take sides, which is how a deity of magic should be, and really they had no reason to off him, they could of got rid of the weave and done the 4e system of magic without getting rid of Azuth.
Bing bing bing!
I just think that leaves a hole in the pantheon and it bugs me, there should be a god of magic. I guess people could argue that Corellon or Selune are now the holders of that portfolio but its just not the same, they have too much else going on, We need a deity focused soely on Magic IMO.
Judging by what's been said about Shar's attempts to block the ascension of a new magic god, I think it's safe to say Corellon and Selune aren't true holders of the portfolio, just deities who lead spellcasters.
And yes Velsharoon is most definatly gone.
That one I can do without.
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again.
LOL, well as long as it makes you happy. But none of them are chosen of Mystra anymore.
See! I told you there's a bright side of Mystra's death.
Somebody gets it!!!!1111!1!1!1!
Judging by what's been said about Shar's attempts to block the ascension of a new magic god, I think it's safe to say Corellon and Selune aren't true holders of the portfolio, just deities who lead spellcasters.
Yeah thats true. Is Shar still holding that block though? And is she blocking Azuth's replacement as well? Hopefully they'll explain this more fully. Im expecting Elminster to become the new God of Magic, I hope this isnt the case but I have a funnny feeling. I cant wait to read Elminster Must Die! Im sure it will reveal alot, and hopefully he does not ascend to godhood, that just wouldnt fit the character IMO.
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again.
LOL, well as long as it makes you happy. But none of them are chosen of Mystra anymore.
See! I told you there's a bright side of Mystra's death.
Somebody gets it!!!!1111!1!1!1!
Yes, you may have another convert for Curellon!
Yeah thats true. Is Shar still holding that block though? And is she blocking Azuth's replacement as well?
I believe the FRCG says she still is. And yes, she'd block Azuth's replacement too, since he was also a deity of magic and Mystra's right hand man.
Hopefully they'll explain this more fully. Im expecting Elminster to become the new God of Magic, I hope this isnt the case but I have a funnny feeling. I cant wait to read Elminster Must Die! Im sure it will reveal alot, and hopefully he does not ascend to godhood, that just wouldnt fit the character IMO.
I seriously doubt Ed would consider making El a god, and based on CP's interview (you know, the one that generated almost no interest), it seems the idea to make El a god has been tossed aside for the moment. That being said, I can easily see the WOTC officials changing their minds if they think it'll attract more readers.
I seriously doubt Ed would consider making El a god, and based on CP's interview (you know, the one that generated almost no interest), it seems the idea to make El a god has been tossed aside for the moment. That being said, I can easily see the WOTC officials changing their minds if they think it'll attract more readers.
Well I hope El doesnt become a god, I know Eds got something big planned with this one, and Im assuming Elminster doesnt die either. I cant wait for that book to come out. I think there is something definatly up with Elminster and I think hes the Ageless One in reference to Year of the Ageless One, I dont know though El's only what about 700 years old? Not exactly Ageless. The more I think about the more I cant wait for this book to come out.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
You know I really like all of them as persons, but I hate them all as "Chosen of Mystra". ^^ And I love saying it all over again.
LOL, well as long as it makes you happy. But none of them are chosen of Mystra anymore.
See! I told you there's a bright side of Mystra's death.
Somebody gets it!!!!1111!1!1!1!Yes, you may have another convert for Curellon!
Well Rusc Ceredir - my current Eladrin Wizard - certainly is a follower of Corellon. Btw, for those who see through the name, that's the closest thing to "Fox Mulder" I was able to accomplish.
Well Rusc Ceredir - my current Eladrin Wizard - certainly is a follower of Corellon. Btw, for those who see through the name, that's the closest thing to "Fox Mulder" I was able to accomplish.
I wouldnt of seen through the name until you said something. Thats a good way to come up with character names, although I dont think the Elves of Toril actually speak Sindarin...
or do they?
No, they do not. What makes it an even better name, since its source gets completely "obscured". 
No, they do not. What makes it an even better name, since its source gets completely "obscured".
I wasnt sure, I remember they had an Elven dictionary in an older source book, Complete Elven hanbook or something?, Ive never compared the two side by side so i wasnt sure if there was similarities. That Elven dictionary is far from complete though.
A while ago I looked into this, Sindarin and the D&D "Elven" are quite different. But actually it doesn't matter that much. Composing a name out of the "Elven" language would fun too, especially since the name would have an already given in-game meaning and any name has a meaning anyway, thus there is no damage caused in any case.
There is a dictionary of the Forgotten Realms Elven language at this link here: www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/dict...
This is the most complete list of elven words as compiled from canon sources and from posts by Ed Greenwood in forums where he has offered up new elven words and lore.
Forgotten Realms elven is totally different from Tolkien elvish.
There is a dictionary of the Forgotten Realms Elven language at this link here: www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/dict...
This is the most complete list of elven words as compiled from canon sources and from posts by Ed Greenwood in forums where he has offered up new elven words and lore.
Forgotten Realms elven is totally different from Tolkien elvish.
Great link man! What about Core Elven? Is it the same as Realms Elven?
btw Elminster is 2000+ years old
btw Elminster is 2000+ years old
Not exactly; Elminster was born in 212 DR in Athalantar, a defunct kingdom that was once situated along the river Delimbiyr, in the area where modern day Secomber lies. The current campaign year is 1479 DR. Elminster is thus only about 1267 years old. He has quite a few centuries to go before he hits 2000.
I stand corrected
That right, I dont know where I got 700 from, Els older than that, after all he helped lay the Mythal of Myth Drannor, and that was like what a 1000 years ago?
That right, I dont know where I got 700 from, Els older than that, after all he helped lay the Mythal of Myth Drannor, and that was like what a 1000 years ago?
Switzerland has had its 718th birthday this year.
Ahhh well thats it then I confused Elminster with Switzerland, easy enough mistake to make.
aye the country that 1 or 2 men can defend a pass against 30.....
in tight quarters , numbers mean nothing
Oh man I actually deleted the post. I thought it was too far off topic. Sorry guys. ^^
Oh man I actually deleted the post. I thought it was too far off topic. Sorry guys. ^^
nah.. wouldnt worry to much, It'll take alot more than that to get the ORCs and VCL or CL to take interest in these threads......
Mystras followers go back to stand before Kelemvor for another place to go.
lets go ressurect ELminster's underwear for thhe spam thread.
isnt Waterdeep great??
There is a dictionary of the Forgotten Realms Elven language at this link here: www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/dict...
Great link man! What about Core Elven? Is it the same as Realms Elven?
Well... this is a tricky question. First off, Realms Elvish has its own font.
This was introduced in the 3e Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide.
Not sure if the 4e elven font was intended to replace the 3e font or not. From a lore perspective, I would say not. But perhaps the core elven font could be seen as the alphabet used by eladrin from the Feywild and as such it would have certainly gained currency in the Realms since contact has increased with the Feywild in the last 100 years. That could indicate that the core elven alphabet may be the same as the ancient elven alphabet known as Hamarfae that was used to write the ancient elven language called Seldarin that elves spoke back when they first arrived from Tintageer in the Feywild circa -25,400 DR.
Although, alternatively, you could make a case that the 2e elven font best represents hamarfae 
I would advocate that core elven is probably a modern dialect of Seldarin that is spoken in the Feywild that is written with the admittedly beautiful 4e elven script.
Now Faerûnian elven is not quite the monolithic language that it is portrayed as for game purposes. In game terms it is often treated as one language. But in actuality elven consists of multiple languages, or at least multiple dialects of the same language that sound markedly different from one another. Drow is in fact an elven dialect that has morphed quite a bit from the original Seldarin (or other eladrin dialect). And you can assume that surface elven diverged to some degree or another wherever populations of elves set up kingdoms and settlements around Faerûn and became isolated from other populations. Elven would have diverged into dialects similar to the way in which Latin diverged into French, Spanish, Italian (and all the various Italian sub-dialects), Occitan/Provencal, Rumansch, Romanian, Portuguese, Vulgar Latin, Ecclesiastical Latin, etc.
Because elves are so long lived and have long memories as well as institutional memory preserved by their culture, linguistic drift might be glacially slow in the elven tongue. Thus, elven dialects may be quite mutually comprehensible. Yet, over the course of almost 27,000 years, there has certainly been measurable linguistic change. If the Drow tongue is any indication of what changes time has wrought, then other elven dialects may have experienced similar amounts of linguistic drift. Although, the pressures exerted by the struggle for survival in the Underdark on the Dark Elves combined with the cultural rejection by the topside elves may represent a unique combination of circumstances that caused the Drow dialect to diverge faster than possibly the surface dialects might have in the same period of time. We just don't have enough data to say.
Tom Costa once wrote an article for Dragon Magazine Annual #4 about Faerûnian linguistics and the language family tree called "Speaking in Tongues". Don't recall if it included elven, but I think it addressed elven. It was an awesome article, and I believe that Ed Greenwood endorsed it as canon. Totally worth checking out.
Tom's 2e language scheme was simplified for 3e, and a lot of the dialects and local languages were eliminated or absorbed for the 3e set of languages (as published in the 3e Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide) which were further simplified for 4e.
There is also a lot of linguistic information peppered throughout the book Races of Faerûn, which is also a fantastic reference for lore--highly recommended.
The sad thing is that gaming logistics don't deal well with a realistic treatment of linguistics and dialects. Gaming considerations prefer a limited number of languages, or to ignore languages altogether, whereas world-building considerations prefer a multitude of languages and dialects, history, writing systems, etc. These two considerations are in a constant tug-of-war. Linguistics thus often get short shrift in the published lore, which is a shame but understandable given its limited appeal and utility to a role-playing environment.
I haven't gone through the elven netbook that they have been assembling on the boards, yet, but it may also have some nice elven language lore for you to check out.
Thank you Gray Richardson for that detailed response! You bring up a lot of good points. I myself was wondering WHAT TO DO WITH THE 1e-2e version of the Elven font, I hate retconning things and just saying well the 3e one is the one that they always use. My thought that perhaps the original Realms Elven script, was the actual Elven, where as the 3e one is Eldarin which has since been adopted by the Elves as well. Or perhaps the older script was used by the Elves to communicate with humans as they figured the actual Elven script was too complex for the humans and other races? I personally like to play up languages and not just assume that everyone can understand everyone else.
I'll have to check out that Dragon Anual 4, sounds like its got some good stuff in it.
isnt Waterdeep great??
Its just not the same with Halaster gone. 
isnt Waterdeep great??
Its just not the same with Halaster gone.
Yes, I liked him too.
mystra faithful were merged into eleminister thats why he has retired because a couple million different points of view and personalitys simultaionusly does nasty things to your sanity especally when your casting spells.
I liked Mystra and her Chosen myself... well, I should probably correct myself a bit and mention I was not a terribly big fan of Midnight, but I was more than willing to give her considerably more than 30 years to get used to the job and get her ducks in their line. I would think that 30 years, at most, of divinity would barely be enough time to figure out where your socks were, so to speak, much less being intimately familiar with your entire portfolio and its implications. Its a rather large reinvention of the self, and with a formerly mortal mind, its going to be a bumpy ride, where you think you have to accomplish all this crap now because you don't have that perspective of a few centuries to let you realize you don't actually have to do all this crap now, and man, you really need to work on being able to prioritize stuff...
So yeah, Mystra, just a noob who needed some slack cut for her. Her Chosen... I didn't really see much different for them. The only difference was that we got to see what they were up to with the focus cast upon them. If we didn't know the details though, its pretty likely we wouldn't even know they were involved in what was happening. So yeah, they didn't bother me any more than the villains did. Both moved and acted through agents and twisted plots, not direct action, at least according to the pre-3e sources, which I consider as more reliable, as they make more sense on the whole.
As to the old arguments, yeah, they were pretty vehement and largely stupid, but for the most part they came down to those who knew Mystra and her Chosen through the novels, and those who knew them from the sourcebooks. There was a pretty large disconnect between the two when it came down to it.
mystra faithful were merged into eleminister thats why he has retired because a couple million different points of view and personalitys simultaionusly does nasty things to your sanity especally when your casting spells.
the scary thing is, that you may be right
mystra faithful were merged into eleminister thats why he has retired because a couple million different points of view and personalitys simultaionusly does nasty things to your sanity especally when your casting spells.
the scary thing is, that you may be right
Well, if he became the God of Magic, his flock would be right there with him, and he'd have the prayers already directed to him....
No, no, I must stop, before I tempt WOTC anymore.
mystra faithful were merged into eleminister thats why he has retired because a couple million different points of view and personalitys simultaionusly does nasty things to your sanity especally when your casting spells.
the scary thing is, that you may be right
Well, if he became the God of Magic, his flock would be right there with him, and he'd have the prayers already directed to him....No, no, I must stop, before I tempt WOTC anymore.
They already through out the idea of making him a god though....
but yes do stop, before LK gets back......
mystra faithful were merged into eleminister thats why he has retired because a couple million different points of view and personalitys simultaionusly does nasty things to your sanity especally when your casting spells.
the scary thing is, that you may be right
Well, if he became the God of Magic, his flock would be right there with him, and he'd have the prayers already directed to him....No, no, I must stop, before I tempt WOTC anymore.
If that isn't the equivalent to almightiness then I have no idea what it would be. That could actually do the trick, being cause and effect could make it hard for Ao to hold that one in check. ^^